Curse

Phauran · May 09, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Now, I am a huge online RPG player, from diablo 2 LoD to NWN SWG EQ and WoW, just to name a few, i have been with these games since launch. Some of them turned out to be great, some not so............

But right now to compare GW to something, it would be diablo II LoD and thats exactly not what we want,

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The main reason i felt compelled to write this thread is racist and immature kids, no one needs people spamming racial slurs or any swearing at all. This is the reason i wish you had to pay per month, doing that cuts out 90% of the racial and swearing spammers.

-Already we have people saying "You suck noobie, noob, i pwn u" which is needless to say not good and uneeded.
-Already people attempting to scam people out of items
-Already the trade channle is being spammed so badly u cannot see a thing outside of it.
-Already there are the MUST HAVE ITEMS, and if u dont, u and ur guild sucks
-Already there are Drake Runs, or what ever runs ur doing, comparable to diablo 2's mephesto runs
-Already Uber l00t wh0ring going on

Diffrences

-No hacks or duping have surfaced yet, but they are sure to come.

So please do your best to make the game world as nice and as respectful as you can.

If you agree or disagree with this post, tell me, i like the responces.

goku19123 · May 10, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

1) people have personalities and some people have "poor" personalities...can't help that
2) you can see what a person is offering for your trade items so ...scamming ...unless you can't read...
3) you can turn the trade channel off...and all channels for that matter
4) there are no must have items...with the balancing scene as it is, everything is fine with items
5) yea some people farm for runes to unlock - so?
6) I may not be "with it" but I don't understand your last point...

Some people are disrespectable, but that's to be expected with such a huge player base and no monthly fee.

Jackell · May 10, 2005, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Dude, this happens with the pay per month games too.

In fact, every mmo has these things.

You just gotta deal with it.

Teufel Eldritch · May 10, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Turning Trade Channel off accomplishes nothing as they still trade spam Global...so you say "Well just mute Global then" but then you don't get to see any other conversations(Global) either.

Chill Out Dawg · May 10, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

1. Already we have people saying "You suck noobie, noob, i pwn u" which is needless to say not good and uneeded.
2. Already people attempting to scam people out of items
3. Already the trade channle is being spammed so badly u cannot see a thing outside of it.
4. Already there are the MUST HAVE ITEMS, and if u dont, u and ur guild sucks
5. Already there are Drake Runs, or what ever runs ur doing, comparable to diablo 2's mephesto runs
6. Already Uber l00t wh0ring going on

Diffrences

7. No hacks or duping have surfaced yet, but they are sure to come.

Changed your post a little so I could list how to change this or something else about it

1. Report button or something? player mods? something like that. just to keep the little kids unracist and make them behave, if it has to come to that, I say do it.

2. Its not that easy to scam in this game unless you don't know prices and thats not really scamming.

3.Turn it off

4. Not really, but its like that in almost all MMORPGS... Probably not gonna change without a patch.

5. I don't find anything wrong with that. They may come across somthing they want in the long run. If they want to spend their time doing that, I say go ahead.

6. Again, if they want to waste thier time with that, whos gonna stop em?

7. Yes, but if the designers are smart, they will counter it.

Just what I think about that.

Sythion · May 10, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Are you seriously arguing that this game is not going to be fun because people want to be the best at it?

Would you argue that sports are flawed for the same reason?

This is a competitive game, of course people are going to compete, win, and brag. If you don't want to play a competitive game, I'm afraid you made the wrong decision.

As for the environment, 1337 speak irritates me too, but man it's fun to beat those little punks

. Also, they are in every game. You cannot put an age cap on a game. That's discrimination, and is very unfair.

The bottom line is, this is a game based on competition. If you don't like it, then don't play. I can't say I understand you though, because I love competition.

Tanik · May 10, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53

Wars are competetive, so is guild wars. In real life, most wars start over people being unhappy to one extent or another, and end up becoming about who has the biggest balls(guns, whatever). Why do you expect a game called Guild(organised group) WARS, to be some nice little joy time game? im not saying everyone is going to act like the military in their guild, but it will still be organisations attacking each other over nothing really than bragging rights, maybe some little pieces of digital data. To me, this is fun, i get to be involved in a war, without actually risking my life needlessly. Its escapism and i for one enjoy it, but i like to be angry, i like to hear the guys tell me "STFU Noob" it just gives me that much more reason to pound him into the groud(not that i needed more, just him being in another guild is plenty) At the end of the day its about people bashing other people to bits over no real reason at all.... wow now thats a rant if i ever wrote one

Peace!.. no that dosent work for this lets try

Anarchy!

ManadartheHealer · May 10, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanik

Wars are competetive, so is guild wars. In real life, most wars start over people being unhappy to one extent or another, and end up becoming about who has the biggest balls(guns, whatever). Why do you expect a game called Guild(organised group) WARS, to be some nice little joy time game? im not saying everyone is going to act like the military in their guild, but it will still be organisations attacking each other over nothing really than bragging rights, maybe some little pieces of digital data. To me, this is fun, i get to be involved in a war, without actually risking my life needlessly. Its escapism and i for one enjoy it, but i like to be angry, i like to hear the guys tell me "STFU Noob" it just gives me that much more reason to pound him into the groud(not that i needed more, just him being in another guild is plenty) At the end of the day its about people bashing other people to bits over no real reason at all.... wow now thats a rant if i ever wrote one

Peace!.. no that dosent work for this lets try

Anarchy!

Everything that was needed to be said was said in that post right there.

I love the useless fighting, the taunting, and I like to dance over people after I have killed them. I like all the people swearing at me after I totally slaughter them. Gives me a real sense of accomplishment. And most of all, it's fun. Anything without competition (and all the paraphernalia) is just boring and dry...

The IOU · May 10, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

I thought I read Drake runs were nerfed?

EDIT: Here is where I read it:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=9644

Guardian Legend · May 10, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

The dev team should just select some volunteer players to be moderators. People who play the game and can suspend people's accounts for misbehaving as they play. They'd have no trouble finding such volunteers, I assure you. Also, you wouldn't need that many. Just a handful of moderators suspending people can really set people straight across the whole game. Suspensions would be just temporary, maybe a few days.

Moderators wouldn't have to run around policing the districts. They'd just play like any other player, and if they see someone being nutty, they warn/suspend them. Just because this game doesn't have a monthly rate doesn't mean the dev team can't do anything to regulate the community. Day of Defeat, Call of Duty, and Counter-strike servers have no monthly rate, but nearly every game server out there has moderators that will kick out unruly players. Players want to self regulate their own community, NCsoft merely needs to setup a system to facilitate that. And a more sensible community is one that is more appealing, and thus more profitable in terms of game sales.

Of course, you'll need oversight of the moderators that are selected. Although here again, any abuse by the moderators themselves can be punished with suspension or banning, which keeps the moderators in line as well. This kind of stuff is not new to the online gaming world, so there's not much reason the dev team shouldn't do this. They should get right on it, and it'll help boost sales of this product and future expansions. Not to mention other games from the publisher. If people play GW and find the community to be too ugly, they're not going to want to play any other online games NCSoft offers either.

Gaile Gray · May 10, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I wonder if you can tell me of any Triple A titles who use volunteer moderators. I'm really curious, because from what I've noted, most companies are going away from volunteers completely.

The rights of moderation are very powerful, and I would be hesitant to turn that over to volunteers. After all, you see a scandal every few months whether on charges of, let's see, irresponsibility, favourtism, maliciousness, extortion, bribe-taking, spite, cheating, hacking, misjudgment, or just plain meanness.

That's not to say that even 1% of volunteers have ever misbehaved. But when there are some classic examples of it with which gamers are quite familiar, it does tend to make team leaders like myself very hesitant to even consider such a possibility.

I'd like to learn more, though, if some of you have knowledge of the subject.

Synthos · May 10, 2005, 06:18 AM // 06:18

I do have to agree with her, The less middlemen the better. Im actually really enjoying the fact that you dont have to worry about individuals like a server owner or something. If youve ever played on a server run by an individual you see all sorts of things that Gaile said happening. Sure there are a few problems but im confident Areanet will come out with solutions with them eventually.
I really think that the Ignore feature should be made easier, like a right click then "ignore player" menu or something.

Jaide · May 10, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Honestly, I don't see how some of the problems that were mentioned are that big of a deal in a game where most places are instanced. And it's so easy to ignore or get away from rude players anyway because you can always move to another district or just plain not respond to a person (or turn off various channels, but that has already been mentioned, and I realize that's not always the ideal solution). And if ever the crowds or the spamming really gets to you, just head out to an instanced area and you're set. Who cares what people do with their time in their own copy of a map? If you're not in their party, it doesn't affect you in the slightest. The PVE of this game may not be as entirely social as some online games, but I prefer it this way, and I don't feel that a monthly fee is at all necessary, especially since ArenaNet actually listens to its players. Most if not all problems that can be dealt with will be, I like to think. But some people are just immature and disrespectful of others, and that's something that occurs whether the game has a fee or not.

Manderlock · May 10, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Good lord, the games out just under two weeks, and we are already "worried about the direction its going"?

The community is fine, be nice and people will be nice to you.

In PvP, its a commpetitive game, lots of emotions are invoved. This is still much better than any other commpeitive game I have EVER played.

Siren · May 10, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

Turning Trade Channel off accomplishes nothing as they still trade spam Global...so you say "Well just mute Global then" but then you don't get to see any other conversations(Global) either.

Though, it's not as if the majority of the Global conversations are all that...enlightening anyway. lol

Mountain Man · May 10, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian Legend

The dev team should just select some volunteer players to be moderators.

This is an excellent idea. Moderation of some kind--not necessarily volunteers--is definitely needed and would be preferable to the free-for-all we have now. It would be great if someone could warn people about spamming trade adverts in the main channel, and then be able to do something about it if the offending party doesn't listen!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synthos

I really think that the Ignore feature should be made easier, like a right click then "ignore player" menu or something.

On a related note, clicking a player's name in the chat window could be improved considerably with a drop-down menu of some sort with options like Whisper, Invite to Party, Add to Friends List, Ignore, etc.

Quarantine · May 10, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

how can you have played all those other games and not learned what to expect from online games?

not to mention, if you have played WoW you would know that pay per month cuts down on nothing

i'm sorry, but the only thing that annoys me more than asshats in game is the 100's of Captain Save-A-Community's on the msg boards telling everyone to hold hands because they are 'concerned'

as of yet the GW community is 100000x better than most games, just let it be

Master Elyas · May 10, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

nice... i agree with ya Quarantine, and your choice of words are excellent...

BChan · May 10, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I wonder if you can tell me of any Triple A titles who use volunteer moderators. I'm really curious, because from what I've noted, most companies are going away from volunteers completely.

The rights of moderation are very powerful, and I would be hesitant to turn that over to volunteers. After all, you see a scandal every few months whether on charges of, let's see, irresponsibility, favourtism, maliciousness, extortion, bribe-taking, spite, cheating, hacking, misjudgment, or just plain meanness.

That's not to say that even 1% of volunteers have ever misbehaved. But when there are some classic examples of it with which gamers are quite familiar, it does tend to make team leaders like myself very hesitant to even consider such a possibility.

I'd like to learn more, though, if some of you have knowledge of the subject.

I remember back in the day when UO started its volunteer councilour and gm system (before it went to EA games and went to the crapper). It was an awesome program, it rewarded alot of knowlegable players by allowing them the ability to help various people with issues or what not.

I believe anyone that did not live in the UO center areas could only initially be councilours. Councilours were only able to respond to issues such as stuck, info, harrassment, etc. In situations which needed to handled by a gm (bugs, suspensions, banning) they would either be auto routed because of the pop up window or referred to by a councilour. Councilours could only become gms by reviews and recommendations. The system for gms logged all actions they did plus involved a right up after each response. I believe you got emails to respond to detailing the type of response that happened and you could respond, as a customer, to the type of and quality of service.

Basically what Anet would need to have is some oversight staff to review various transactions that the GMs did as they are the only ones who can spawn items, mobs, etc in game. Councilours can only explain issues, refer to a higher level or unstuck people. For each case, the tickets are auto routed to each person automatically so no staffer can respond to chosen tickets (remove favoritism). So basically I think what the OP asked for was Councilours with some GM powers. I think that would be to powerful. A volunteer system like originally implemented by UO would work well with GW and allow for better monitoring of the system.

One thing to add is that your gm/coucilour accounts would be completely seperate from your current account. This would require you to relog in and address that as that councilour not as a Joe Shmo who likes to enforce rules. This would be inplace if for nothing else but professionalism on Anet's part but also to make the issue more appearant by having a councilour or gm respond to the issue.

EDIT:
Also to respond to going away from by other companies...Most companies have either poorly implementated the system or been taken over by other companies that didn't like the idea, ie UO. Scandles do and will happen. Giving your GM staff that doesn't work in your gaming centers too much power, too early, with too little oversight is just asking for someone to give in. Look at the fact that all your volunteers will play the game, will belong to a guild, and will have human nature.

Anet is only going to want to implement this system so they can better meet customer satisfaction, much the same reason that you have your position, which we love

. So if you guys can make the system give enough power to meet customer needs while hiring the correct number of people to oversight those customer service reps (your gms and councilours) then volunteer system would be awesome and very good. However if you guys have neither the means and/or the want to staff the oversight committee or engineer the system to guard against it then i would recommend not even considering the idea at all.

Mountain Man · May 10, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

It's true, Guild War's online environment isn't too bad at the moment, but it's also a brand new game. As the game increases in popularity and deviant behavior goes unchecked, things could decline quickly. Better to nip it the bud than wait for things to go to hell and try to clean up the mess afterwards.